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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:52 pm
  • SonicsGate was biased. Yes you could connect the dots and spin things to make it look like Bennet's goal was to move the team all a long whether or not a new arena deal could be met. It looks that way NOW, sure. It came down to business and the highest profit was for the team to be in OKC. If Seattle didn't have a socialist hippie agenda, there would have been a much higher profit HERE with a new arena and plenty of new attraction. SODO should have been Sonic Land, plain and simple. Now OKC has our history and when we do get a new team, it's a clean slate. Awesome!
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:10 am
  • Spounge84 wrote:IMO it would have to be either Mets, Totems or Thunderbirds.



    I got a better name, the Seattle Seals.

    After there is the Penguins, Ducks, Sharks and Panthers, why not have a Seal mascot for a team?
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:18 am
  • Crizilla wrote:SonicsGate was biased. Yes you could connect the dots and spin things to make it look like Bennet's goal was to move the team all a long whether or not a new arena deal could be met. It looks that way NOW, sure. It came down to business and the highest profit was for the team to be in OKC. If Seattle didn't have a socialist hippie agenda, there would have been a much higher profit HERE with a new arena and plenty of new attraction. SODO should have been Sonic Land, plain and simple. Now OKC has our history and when we do get a new team, it's a clean slate. Awesome!


    There's no way the #41 backwoods hick market in the country was a more profitable area to be in than the #14 market with all that a truly Metropolitan city like Seattle offers. I for one can't wait for Westbrook to leave OKC so they turn into the bottom feeder NBA franchise that OKC and Bennett deserve. Literally the only thing that's been keeping that franchise relevant and profitable the past 10 years was their two stars. One gone, one to go.

    Also, I believe that part of the agreement before moving was that if a team ever returned to Seattle, we'd get the uniforms and history back.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:11 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:SonicsGate was biased. Yes you could connect the dots and spin things to make it look like Bennet's goal was to move the team all a long whether or not a new arena deal could be met. It looks that way NOW, sure. It came down to business and the highest profit was for the team to be in OKC. If Seattle didn't have a socialist hippie agenda, there would have been a much higher profit HERE with a new arena and plenty of new attraction. SODO should have been Sonic Land, plain and simple. Now OKC has our history and when we do get a new team, it's a clean slate. Awesome!


    No his goal was to move the team from day 1, everything else was a smoke show, fake effort at an arena he knew would get shot down.

    Also if we ever get the Sonics back, they'll take the history back. OKC doesn't want it. The championship trophy is still physically in Seattle.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:54 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:SonicsGate was biased. Yes you could connect the dots and spin things to make it look like Bennet's goal was to move the team all a long whether or not a new arena deal could be met. It looks that way NOW, sure. It came down to business and the highest profit was for the team to be in OKC. If Seattle didn't have a socialist hippie agenda, there would have been a much higher profit HERE with a new arena and plenty of new attraction. SODO should have been Sonic Land, plain and simple. Now OKC has our history and when we do get a new team, it's a clean slate. Awesome!


    There's no way the #41 backwoods hick market in the country was a more profitable area to be in than the #14 market with all that a truly Metropolitan city like Seattle offers. I for one can't wait for Westbrook to leave OKC so they turn into the bottom feeder NBA franchise that OKC and Bennett deserve. Literally the only thing that's been keeping that franchise relevant and profitable the past 10 years was their two stars. One gone, one to go.

    Also, I believe that part of the agreement before moving was that if a team ever returned to Seattle, we'd get the uniforms and history back.


    I guess that's why their Arena was being groomed before he bought the Sonics, there was never any other outcome that was going to happen, even if it was not the Sonics the Clippers or Sacramento would have had the same thing done to them if Mr. sellout had not sold to Bennett.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:43 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:SonicsGate was biased. Yes you could connect the dots and spin things to make it look like Bennet's goal was to move the team all a long whether or not a new arena deal could be met. It looks that way NOW, sure. It came down to business and the highest profit was for the team to be in OKC. If Seattle didn't have a socialist hippie agenda, there would have been a much higher profit HERE with a new arena and plenty of new attraction. SODO should have been Sonic Land, plain and simple. Now OKC has our history and when we do get a new team, it's a clean slate. Awesome!


    As far as profitability is concerned, as Sgt. Largent said, there is absolutely NO WAY that one could argue (from a pure dollars and cents point of view) that the team would be more profitable in OKC vs. Seattle. The Seattle-Tacoma area is the 12th biggest media market in the country ... Oklahoma City ... comes in at #41.
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    No, the bottom line is that there is reason that Clay Bennett is one of the most hated figures in Seattle Sports history. There is very strong evidence to believe that all of his talk of wanting to get a new arena here in Seattle was nothing more than a smokescreen ... and that he and his partner's goal from Day 1 was to move the team to OKC. The truth is that they flat out lied to the citizens of Seattle and Commissioner Stern. Period. The most damning piece of evidence that shows that was the case were the emails that were intercepted and shared with the Seattle Times. Here is a snippet of some of those that were picked up and published by ESPN ...

    "In one e-mail [at the time of the team's purchase] sent to Bennett and Ward, McClendon celebrated the news with the subject line: 'the OKLAHOMA CITY SONIC BOOM (or maybe SONIC BOOMERS!) baby!!!!!!!!!!'"

    "On April 17 last year, team co-owners Clay Bennett, Aubrey McClendon and Tom Ward talked about whisking the Sonics away to Oklahoma as soon as possible even though it would mean breaching the KeyArena lease, according to the city's motion filed in U.S. District Court in New York City. 'Is there any way to move here [Oklahoma City] for next season or are we doomed to have another lame duck season in Seattle?' Ward wrote. Bennett replied: 'I am a man possessed! Will do everything we can. Thanks for hanging with me boys, the game is getting started!' Ward: 'That's the spirit!! I am willing to help any way I can to watch ball here [in Oklahoma City] next year.' McClendon: 'Me too, thanks Clay!'"

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    It is VERY hard to read those and conclude anything other than Bennett and his group bought the Sonics with the sole purpose of moving the team to OKC and lied to everyone in the process. It seems abundantly clear they never had any intention of keeping the team in Seattle. It was evidence such as this that led Howard Schultz to try to sue Bennett and his group for breach of contract in an attempt to get the Sonics back. He ultimately dropped his suit because he was advised he probably wouldn't win and that his lawsuit could anger the NBA and hamper efforts to get another team here in Seattle.

    Now, all of that is ancient history. That's in the past and there is nothing that can be done to change that. All of that doesn't really have a lot of bearing on what's happening right now with the whole ongoing (seemingly endless) New Arena saga. BUT, I share that to make those who may not be aware of that history to help them understand -- there is a reason why many people in and around the Pacific Northwest who used to be Sonics fans (like myself) stopped watching NBA basketball as soon as the team left team town.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:33 am
  • Having the team play in OKC in that arena vs here in Seattle in the keyarena was better for the NBA. We needed a new arena here. Now when the NBA gets back here with a new arena hopefully and the ball gets rolling again, you can bet the NBA will do better here than okc ever would. To me it looks like Bennet took advantage of WEAK Seattle leaders.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:04 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Having the team play in OKC in that arena vs here in Seattle in the keyarena was better for the NBA. We needed a new arena here. Now when the NBA gets back here with a new arena hopefully and the ball gets rolling again, you can bet the NBA will do better here than okc ever would. To me it looks like Bennet took advantage of WEAK Seattle leaders.


    The hell if it was better for the NBA. It was better for Bennett and OKC. What's better for the NBA is to have a 40 year beloved franchise stay in the 12th largest Metropolitan market in the country with four decades of history and dedicated fans.

    Stern sure as hell changed his tune after he helped steal our team by meddling in the Sacramento bid by Hansen helping that corrupt piece of crap Kevin Johnson keep a team that's still a bottom feeder franchise.

    NOW the NBA cares about doing everything they can to keep teams in their city. Where the hell was that empathy and commitment when Bennett was stealing our team?
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:24 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Having the team play in OKC in that arena vs here in Seattle in the keyarena was better for the NBA. We needed a new arena here. Now when the NBA gets back here with a new arena hopefully and the ball gets rolling again, you can bet the NBA will do better here than okc ever would. To me it looks like Bennet took advantage of WEAK Seattle leaders.


    The hell if it was better for the NBA. It was better for Bennett and OKC. What's better for the NBA is to have a 40 year beloved franchise stay in the 12th largest Metropolitan market in the country with four decades of history and dedicated fans.

    Stern sure as hell changed his tune after he helped steal our team by meddling in the Sacramento bid by Hansen helping that corrupt piece of crap Kevin Johnson keep a team that's still a bottom feeder franchise.

    NOW the NBA cares about doing everything they can to keep teams in their city. Where the hell was that empathy and commitment when Bennett was stealing our team?



    Why does the NBA care about a 40 year old beloved franchise when it could go somewhere else and still be beloved when at the same time, make more money for the NBA? Perhaps the NBA and Bennett were smarter than us and foresaw the crap it would have to go through to get a worthy arena. Why not forego the hassles and just take it down the street to an arena already being built.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:43 am
  • Bobblehead wrote:Why does the NBA care about a 40 year old beloved franchise when it could go somewhere else and still be beloved when at the same time, make more money for the NBA? Perhaps the NBA and Bennett were smarter than us and foresaw the crap it would have to go through to get a worthy arena. Why not forego the hassles and just take it down the street to an arena already being built.


    Fine, then don't give us a load of crap about how important it is to keep longtime teams in their cities when Hansen was going hard after the Kings and Bucks. Cause that's all we heard out of Stern, Silver and the NBA at those times.

    I'm not absolving our city government btw, they certainly were impossible to deal with, and downright antagonistic with Stern and the NBA when the Sonics left.

    But no way you can convince me that Bennett and Stern tried hard enough to keep the Sonics here. They had a plan from day one of ownership, and carried it out beautifully.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:08 am
  • Anyone who loved the Sonics..knew the moment Starbuck guy sold it to an outside bidder, the team was doomed.

    Bennett, like most would, took the easy way out. Really, why fight the NBA, fight, that antagonistic City, when an arena is already waiting in a place where they really want them? I think most would do the same..it's probably why Shultz sold the Sonics in the first place.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:22 am
  • Bobblehead wrote:Anyone who loved the Sonics..knew the moment Starbuck guy sold it to an outside bidder, the team was doomed.

    Bennett, like most would, took the easy way out. Really, why fight the NBA, fight, that antagonistic City, when an arena is already waiting in a place where they really want them? I think most would do the same..it's probably why Shultz sold the Sonics in the first place.


    Oh believe me, enemy #1 will always be Shultz.

    He was naive and maybe even vindictive selling to Bennett's group. All he had to do is wait another year or two until Balmer got his finances in order, or any of the dozens of billionaires from Seattle who would have never sold to an outside ownership group.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:35 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Bobblehead wrote:Anyone who loved the Sonics..knew the moment Starbuck guy sold it to an outside bidder, the team was doomed.

    Bennett, like most would, took the easy way out. Really, why fight the NBA, fight, that antagonistic City, when an arena is already waiting in a place where they really want them? I think most would do the same..it's probably why Shultz sold the Sonics in the first place.


    Oh believe me, enemy #1 will always be Shultz.

    He was naive and maybe even vindictive selling to Bennett's group. All he had to do is wait another year or two until Balmer got his finances in order, or any of the dozens of billionaires from Seattle who would have never sold to an outside ownership group.


    Sure I read if the City of Seattle/Mayor had dug in for 6 months and kept up the law suit rather than cave that the Oklahoma owners lost most of their fortune in the recession and the move to Oklahoma would have fell through. 6 frikkin months.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:17 am
  • Yeah, haven't purchased a Starbuck product in years... I used to love it.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:07 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Having the team play in OKC in that arena vs here in Seattle in the keyarena was better for the NBA. We needed a new arena here. Now when the NBA gets back here with a new arena hopefully and the ball gets rolling again, you can bet the NBA will do better here than okc ever would. To me it looks like Bennet took advantage of WEAK Seattle leaders.


    The hell if it was better for the NBA. It was better for Bennett and OKC. What's better for the NBA is to have a 40 year beloved franchise stay in the 12th largest Metropolitan market in the country with four decades of history and dedicated fans.

    Stern sure as hell changed his tune after he helped steal our team by meddling in the Sacramento bid by Hansen helping that corrupt piece of crap Kevin Johnson keep a team that's still a bottom feeder franchise.

    NOW the NBA cares about doing everything they can to keep teams in their city. Where the hell was that empathy and commitment when Bennett was stealing our team?



    Stern was pissed at Seattle, when the Sale was announced he came here, Nickels basically said wait in the lobby and I will call you when I have time to discuss it, not treating Stern like Royalty pissed him off. From that point on Stern was not going to talk to Seattle in a favorable light.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:23 pm
  • Unfortunately the majority of the people in Washington don't give a crap about the Sonics or the NBA. The politicians that screwed this up -Gregoire, Nickels, etc. still got re-elected afterwards. That tells me all I need to know. Same thing is happening to Hansen. He's pretty much give them everything but they don't want his plan because they won't have any ownership in the deal. The problem is the city of Seattle/King County owned stadiums have failed. See Kingdome, Key arena, etc. They are/were poorly maintained facilities.

    How is a dilapidated arena a historic site? The Kingdome was more historic than the Key arena is or will be. Kingdome was demolished. Key arena should be too.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:47 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Unfortunately the majority of the people in Washington don't give a crap about the Sonics or the NBA. The politicians that screwed this up -Gregoire, Nickels, etc. still got re-elected afterwards. That tells me all I need to know. Same thing is happening to Hansen. He's pretty much give them everything but they don't want his plan because they won't have any ownership in the deal. The problem is the city of Seattle/King County owned stadiums have failed. See Kingdome, Key arena, etc. They are/were poorly maintained facilities.

    How is a dilapidated arena a historic site? The Kingdome was more historic than the Key arena is or will be. Kingdome was demolished. Key arena should be too.



    Well that's where you need to look back at the History of the building and the where and why it's there in the first place, I know most of todays people could give two shit about tradition or history of anything but how much the property is worth today.

    The Old Spaghetti Factory was recently closed down, it's a sad story as well, but with the areas population recently doubling in the last 5 years Business and Housing are at a need and property in Seattle is at a premium. The fact the Council wants to set the Washington State Coliseum , yes that's the original name as a historical landmark because of it's roofline and little else is perplexing. The Fun Forest was allowed to be destroyed, the Monorail almost but rejuvenated with the commuter bill that really fell on it's face and never really became the above ground answer to commuting. The whole area of the 1962 Worlds Fair, sorry for the tangent. Due to the Pacific Science Center, the Opera House and a few other Civic buildings that were built for the fair I think they want it all kept as a unit. Tear one down the rest may go, that would create a lot of revenue loss overall for tourism and general Opera House goers. Tear the Arena down without a plan on that site and not long big developers are in there buying it from Japan, China or somewhere else and maybe the rest of the area.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:14 pm
  • ^yes youre correct population is growing exponentially (doubled in past 5 years and still growing). Gee, I wonder why?

    anyways - today is terrible news for the SODO arena. Looks like the top 2 candidates squaring off for the new Seattle Mayor position are anti-SODO. I'm speechless.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:24 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote: Kingdome was demolished. Key arena should be too.


    It will be, other than the dumb roof that everyone thinks is some iconic piece of architecture.

    Of course the Key site is the worst option, but as of now in this terrible political climate where both our councils and mayor ONLY want to support the Key site renovation...........what choice do we have?

    I want hockey and basketball, and I'd like it before I die in the next 40 years. So I'm down with whatever brings hockey and basketball here the fastest. It's clear that means Key.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:58 am
  • Crizilla wrote:^yes youre correct population is growing exponentially (doubled in past 5 years and still growing). Gee, I wonder why?

    anyways - today is terrible news for the SODO arena. Looks like the top 2 candidates squaring off for the new Seattle Mayor position are anti-SODO. I'm speechless.


    I dont think the council and port races look any better either.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:08 pm
  • https://www.sonicsarena.com/2017/09/pro ... -keyarena/

    Today, our investment group is making an offer to privately develop KeyArena into a mid-size concert venue, following the completion of construction of the new SoDo Arena. We believe our creative, privately financed proposal offers an ideal solution that ensures the continued vibrancy of the Seattle Center, while minimizing the negative impacts on the surrounding residents, businesses, and stakeholders.

    In summary, we are offering to privately finance and build three new and unique venues: The SoDo Sports Arena, The Seattle Center Concert Venue, and The Seattle Center Amphitheater.






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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:50 pm
  • twisted_steel2 wrote:https://www.sonicsarena.com/2017/09/proposal-redevelop-keyarena/

    Today, our investment group is making an offer to privately develop KeyArena into a mid-size concert venue, following the completion of construction of the new SoDo Arena. We believe our creative, privately financed proposal offers an ideal solution that ensures the continued vibrancy of the Seattle Center, while minimizing the negative impacts on the surrounding residents, businesses, and stakeholders.

    In summary, we are offering to privately finance and build three new and unique venues: The SoDo Sports Arena, The Seattle Center Concert Venue, and The Seattle Center Amphitheater.






    Wow! :shock:

    Wow! Come on, if this doesn't get the ball rolling nothing will. :snack:
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:19 pm
  • DJrmb wrote:
    twisted_steel2 wrote:https://www.sonicsarena.com/2017/09/proposal-redevelop-keyarena/

    Today, our investment group is making an offer to privately develop KeyArena into a mid-size concert venue, following the completion of construction of the new SoDo Arena. We believe our creative, privately financed proposal offers an ideal solution that ensures the continued vibrancy of the Seattle Center, while minimizing the negative impacts on the surrounding residents, businesses, and stakeholders.

    In summary, we are offering to privately finance and build three new and unique venues: The SoDo Sports Arena, The Seattle Center Concert Venue, and The Seattle Center Amphitheater.






    Wow! :shock:

    Wow! Come on, if this doesn't get the ball rolling nothing will. :snack:


    This is nice but politicians still stand in the way....we know they don't like things that make sense.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:35 pm
  • So Hansen will build Sodo on his own, and also re build Key Arena on his own, OR "Concert Venue and the Amphitheater, " Other then put on a Uniform, and play himself as well what else can he put up.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:54 pm
  • Wow this all great if it happens..I guess my question will be:Who gets stuck paying the expansion fee(s) for NBA and NHL?Keep in mind these fees will be $200-500 million each.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pm
  • Basically, this leaves no mixed messages about bringing the Sonics and NHL here. Its on the city. His team is basically giving them everything they could possibly want. Damn.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:27 pm
  • And the City said if Hansen wanted to do this he should have submitted a proposal by the deadline.

    So, City really has a hard on for Hansen, deadlines have been worked around before, no real proposal has been vetted, and this is going to give the city a free upgrade, but they don't want him having control of anything.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:46 am
  • chris98251 wrote:And the City said if Hansen wanted to do this he should have submitted a proposal by the deadline.

    So, City really has a hard on for Hansen, deadlines have been worked around before, no real proposal has been vetted, and this is going to give the city a free upgrade, but they don't want him having control of anything.


    While I sorta agree with you, this is on Hansen.

    Every step of the way he's done a TERRIBLE job of predicting what the council and mayor would do. He could have already gotten his arena built if he would have first approached the council and mayor 6 years ago and told them he'd fully fund and rebuild Key Arena into what he proposed yesterday.

    But he didn't, he's been too reactionary and waited until he had no choice every step of the way, and that just comes off as knee jerk and desperate, just like this new proposal.

    "We need public money........oh someone else is going to do it fully funded, then me too!"

    "Oh you're still not going to vacate Occidental for me and go with Oakview for a new Key Arena.........then I want to do it for free too at Key Arena!"

    I love Hansen and all he's tried to do to bring back my Sonics, but he's ROYALLY screwed up beyond repair how he's tried to get this done.
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  • No public money? You know the city will strike that down. At this point I think Hansen is just trolling the council to show the world how stupid they really are.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:And the City said if Hansen wanted to do this he should have submitted a proposal by the deadline.

    So, City really has a hard on for Hansen, deadlines have been worked around before, no real proposal has been vetted, and this is going to give the city a free upgrade, but they don't want him having control of anything.


    While I sorta agree with you, this is on Hansen.

    Every step of the way he's done a TERRIBLE job of predicting what the council and mayor would do. He could have already gotten his arena built if he would have first approached the council and mayor 6 years ago and told them he'd fully fund and rebuild Key Arena into what he proposed yesterday.

    But he didn't, he's been too reactionary and waited until he had no choice every step of the way, and that just comes off as knee jerk and desperate, just like this new proposal.

    "We need public money........oh someone else is going to do it fully funded, then me too!"

    "Oh you're still not going to vacate Occidental for me and go with Oakview for a new Key Arena.........then I want to do it for free too at Key Arena!"

    I love Hansen and all he's tried to do to bring back my Sonics, but he's ROYALLY screwed up beyond repair how he's tried to get this done.

    Disagree.

    It's not smart business to put your maximum 100% best offer out on the floor up front. At the time the Hansen group made their offer they were the only serious act in town and made a Very strong offer. Then when the city decided to screw him over and start talking to other groups behind his back and taking other offers (the same thing they are NOW saying they won't do with Oak View...) all he did was match or beat everything those other groups brought to the table. The ONLY reason Hansen is being treated this way is because he's a better business man then anyone in the city council and they got butt hurt and have an agenda and a personal vendetta.

    As for not getting the Key Arena deal in on time, that's because he didn't have enough time to do all the research etc involved to come up with a legit plan. By the time the city set the "review date" it had already been reported that the competing groups had been working on their plans for a year or more (and I believe already collaborating with the city). The City set an aggressive review date knowing that the other groups had a huge head start over Hansen and would be able to finish a proposal and the Hansen group would not.

    Anyways, this is not yet over. The city is probably going to screw it up with the Oak View group as well by asking for too many different things for traffic etc (in the end I think we might not end up with a stadium anywhere with this stupid leadership). Plus maybe when Murray is finally gone maybe, just maybe, there is something the next mayor can/will do to get the best deal for the city (which at this point is Hansen's deal, getting 2 brand new buildings with no taxpayers money).

    Last thing I'll say is that the Hansen group should never have had to "predict" what the mayor/council would do. If they knew they would only consider plans for Key Arena or that keep it a viable venue then they should have been upfront and honest about that the whole time and not pretend they were fairly weighing Hansen's offer against the others...

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    Last thing I'll say is that the Hansen group should never have had to "predict" what the mayor/council would do. If they knew they would only consider plans for Key Arena or that keep it a viable venue then they should have been upfront and honest about that the whole time and not pretend they were fairly weighing Hansen's offer against the others...

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    That's exactly how you get business done, especially dealing with public interest groups like mayors, states and councils.

    You propose, then you react accordingly.

    From the very beginning all Hansen heard from the mayor's and council offices was "yeah sounds awesome, but what about Key Arena?" Yet Hansen continued down the SODO road.

    We all knew that the mayor and council wanted Key renovated, and really had no interest in SODO AT LEAST 3-4 years ago. Again, Hansen continued to push SODO.

    I love the dude, I would have bailed long before he did. But his fatal mistake was continuing to try and get SODO done, even thought he temperature of the mayor and council for a good 3-4 years was Key Arena, Key Arena, and more Key Arena.

    Now Oakview comes around and Hansen sees what he should have seen a long time ago, he's out in the cold with no whale and no development group.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:08 pm
  • He could have had an offer before the April deadline and it would have made zero difference. The Port and Times are deep in the Seattle CC's pockets. They are stupid to reject Hanson's most recent offer, as it makes zero sense to reject 2 FREE arenas.

    The Port has a hard on for the SODO land that Hanson owns. This has never been about traffic issues or overpasses for the Port, it's about obtaining the land that Chris wants to put the arena on.

    Hanson has called the CC and Ports bluffs the whole way and they keep moving the goalposts.
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  • Hansen's proposals are a dream scenario for any city except Seattle of course. To put any of the troubles on him just shows how ignorant people are. The blood is and has been on the City Councils hands from the get-go. They don't want a big beautiful entertainment arena in SODO. If you're asking yourself "but why would they not want that?!", then you need to do more research on who these people are and what they are after. Get it through your thick skulls. They will do everything they can to continue blocking this. I'm starting to get really pissed off again. I just want the Seattle of the 90s back, man.
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  • The council is in the port authority's pocket, The Mariners do not want competition in that area as well and behind the scenes do not want two other sports teams competing for ticket and memorabilia sales in the state. Given how the Mariners have played and how they have given lip service to the fans ever since They sold to the Japanese guy who never has been to a game, yes he kept them here instead of Florida, but 20/20 hindsight was that such a great deal? We may have had the Sonics, a NHL team and with the Expos becoming the Nationals we may have had a chance for a relocated team anyway. Brewers anyone, how ironic would that be.
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  • Murray cancels press conference with OVG per latest allegations.

    Does OVG take a step back? Murray has already promised not to resign.
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    Murray cancels press conference with OVG per latest allegations.

    Does OVG take a step back? Murray has already promised not to resign.


    :shock:

    Why are we letting this man continue?

    Why is he still making decision for the city? Can someone on the SCC please step up and pump the brakes here? :34853_doh:
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:44 pm
  • It's funny how every time Hansen sends a proposal or update then we hear something from the OVG. Until then it's crickets. Had Hansen not stepped up, nobody from the city would have done anything with Key Arena. It would be continuing to rot like it is now. Only things picked up when the council objected to Hansen's SODO plan. This new update from OVG wouldn't have come out had Hansen not shared his proposal to include Key Arena modification, etc.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Were him and Mitch at the same party?


    Considering parties involved, him and Mitch were probably together. Nothing wrong with that of course...each to their own.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:15 pm
  • What did I tell you? Knew this would happen. Knew the city would come out and try to get the anti-SODO arena plan finalized as soon as they can. This is so pathetic. It probably has stalled a little bit now that sicko Ed Murray has resigned, but boy oh boy do they want the OVG plan. They want it so bad.

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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
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  • The are saying it will be done by 2020 and that 40 million in traffic improvements and 600 million in renovation, so tax payers on the books for 640 million or so not counting overages that I saw no provisions for but could have missed was a quick scan.

    Versus Hansen and owing nothing and getting the New Arena and parking and concessions.
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  • chris98251 wrote:The are saying it will be done by 2020 and that 40 million in traffic improvements and 600 million in renovation, so tax payers on the books for 640 million or so not counting overages that I saw no provisions for but could have missed was a quick scan.

    Versus Hansen and owing nothing and getting the New Arena and parking and concessions.

    Doesn't make any sense. The traffic issue would be no different in SODO than when a mariners or Seahawks game is happening. So I still have yet to hear a good argument against SODO...
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  • The ports wants the land and owns half the council that's the argument.
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    chris98251 wrote:The are saying it will be done by 2020 and that 40 million in traffic improvements and 600 million in renovation, so tax payers on the books for 640 million or so not counting overages that I saw no provisions for but could have missed was a quick scan.

    Versus Hansen and owing nothing and getting the New Arena and parking and concessions.

    Doesn't make any sense. The traffic issue would be no different in SODO than when a mariners or Seahawks game is happening. So I still have yet to hear a good argument against SODO...



    The argument is the fact that our local government wanted Key Arena and the surrounding area rebuilt, because it's been a money loser for 20 years in desperate need of renovation.

    That's it, that's all there is to this discussion. They were NEVER going to seriously entertain any new arena proposal that wasn't on that site, because they knew if SODO was built it'd mean Key (a publicly held entity) losing even MORE money because no more concerts, no more sports and no more events..........everyone would go to SODO.

    Now they found their whale to come in and do it all for free? Done Deal. The End.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:47 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:Wow this all great if it happens..I guess my question will be:Who gets stuck paying the expansion fee(s) for NBA and NHL?Keep in mind these fees will be $200-500 million each.

    It's a cost the new owners will absorb--it'll be a fraction of the value of the asset they'll be getting. They'll put it down on the balance sheet and be very happy.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:12 am
  • Seattle Office of Economic Development is saying that 1-year is enough time to get an Environment Impact Statement for KeyArena; already hired someone to do research prior to getting an MOU from the Council
    Questions about 2 potential sports teams + concerts needs to be addressed about these required studies; goes unanswered
    OVG said that their transportation money will be paid out in a yearly amount; may be through bonds - previously said Bonds would not be needed
    also, lack of a lump sum reduces money that can actually be applied towards traffic if it's a yearly payment from a planning perspective





    7500 employees for all the organizations in KeyArena/Seattle Center area - 68% are part-time
    they would essentially lose their job while the arena would be "renovated"

    OVG doesn't have the number of staff impact upon closures of the arena until it reopens
    nor a plan for scheduled events from 2018-2020 that have already been scheduled like the 2019 NCAA Tournament
    There's language in two basketball tenants (Seattle Storm & Seattle University); not working with either group to relocate them yet but says they will follow their contract they've signed
    will try to get them a location within the city limits, but omits the larger point that they won't promise anything if they aren't required per their original lease agreement



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